I will like people to read this article and show whether they disagree as much I did or not. The article goes to describe among other things data that show students in community colleges are less likely to graduate that ones in 4 years colleges.
Of course, that can't be true of many community colleges and obviously there are many four year colleges that have graduation rate below 50% and remember most of these data have some scientific accuracy that tend to tilt more on the pro-side so as not to sway potential prospective students away from attending.
On this article just the summary comes up with abstract. Did you want a comment on that or did you mean to post the whole article? Your topic is very good.
Hi All, Winnie, I had tried without luck to access the full article through the link you posted. EBSCO on the URI Library did allow me to see it in full. You may want to post a different link. I'll be back to comment further once I have read more. Leslie
Oh boy, this article opens a full can of worms. You asked for our opinion, so here we go- 1) I think that the percentages are accurate for most institutions, whether they be 2 or 4 yr colleges. I do not think there has been an effective tracking method to truly measure success rates in the past and it is desperately needed.
2) I also believe there is a huge disconnect between higher ed and K-12. If the continuum of education truly included higher ed, there is no way that so many students who are successful high school completers would place into remedial/noncredit bearing classes. There are major gaps in proficiency and expectations between the two groups. In my opinion, this has been building for years and now, when we are needing to replace accomplished baby boomers who are retiring, we do not have the skilled workforce to backfill employment needs.
3) Many colleges are for profit institutions. Students do not receive consistent formal or adequate financial management education (how to open/use a bank account, debt management, the importance of credit ratings, etc) to even understand the ins and outs of student loans never mind manage them well.
4) We are going to continue to experience high drop out/failure rates until higher ed institutions offer many of the support services discussed in this article. While I believe there is an inherent responsibility for individuals to work to understand and make their own decisions, there are so many areas in which education could grow.
In my ideal world, K-12 students will be educated on money issues before graduation. They will also work extensively to determine their academic/vocational strengths and interests. They will be given the opportunity to job shadow and engage in career exploration in addition to sitting in on college level classes to really understand what is expected of them before making a commitment to complete. Students should be tracked and advisors should be aggressive when students start showing signs of barriers being present. Institutions should have opportunities for stopping out without financial repercussions and a strong structure for re-entry.
On a positive note, we are starting to see career pathways develop with stackable credentials and shorter term commitments (both financial and time) which offer the opportunity for students to enter employment at decent wages more quickly along with an ability to tailor one's path. Until we see more institutions offering radical change, I think there will continue to be high rates for non-completers. Once flexibility is instituted, I bet student success rates will be much higher. That being said, I do see community colleges as the more willing change agents moving forward. How's that for an opinion? ;)
I will like people to read this article and show whether they disagree as much I did or not. The article goes to describe among other things data that show students in community colleges are less likely to graduate that ones in 4 years colleges.
ReplyDeleteOf course, that can't be true of many community colleges and obviously there are many four year colleges that have graduation rate below 50% and remember most of these data have some scientific accuracy that tend to tilt more on the pro-side so as not to sway potential prospective students away from attending.
On this article just the summary comes up with abstract. Did you want a comment on that or did you mean to post the whole article? Your topic is very good.
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ReplyDeleteHi All,
ReplyDeleteWinnie, I had tried without luck to access the full article through the link you posted. EBSCO on the URI Library did allow me to see it in full. You may want to post a different link. I'll be back to comment further once I have read more.
Leslie
Oh boy, this article opens a full can of worms. You asked for our opinion, so here we go-
ReplyDelete1) I think that the percentages are accurate for most institutions, whether they be 2 or 4 yr colleges. I do not think there has been an effective tracking method to truly measure success rates in the past and it is desperately needed.
2) I also believe there is a huge disconnect between higher ed and K-12. If the continuum of education truly included higher ed, there is no way that so many students who are successful high school completers would place into remedial/noncredit bearing classes. There are major gaps in proficiency and expectations between the two groups. In my opinion, this has been building for years and now, when we are needing to replace accomplished baby boomers who are retiring, we do not have the skilled workforce to backfill employment needs.
3) Many colleges are for profit institutions. Students do not receive consistent formal or adequate financial management education (how to open/use a bank account, debt management, the importance of credit ratings, etc) to even understand the ins and outs of student loans never mind manage them well.
4) We are going to continue to experience high drop out/failure rates until higher ed institutions offer many of the support services discussed in this article. While I believe there is an inherent responsibility for individuals to work to understand and make their own decisions, there are so many areas in which education could grow.
In my ideal world, K-12 students will be educated on money issues before graduation. They will also work extensively to determine their academic/vocational strengths and interests. They will be given the opportunity to job shadow and engage in career exploration in addition to sitting in on college level classes to really understand what is expected of them before making a commitment to complete. Students should be tracked and advisors should be aggressive when students start showing signs of barriers being present. Institutions should have opportunities for stopping out without financial repercussions and a strong structure for re-entry.
On a positive note, we are starting to see career pathways develop with stackable credentials and shorter term commitments (both financial and time) which offer the opportunity for students to enter employment at decent wages more quickly along with an ability to tailor one's path. Until we see more institutions offering radical change, I think there will continue to be high rates for non-completers. Once flexibility is instituted, I bet student success rates will be much higher. That being said, I do see community colleges as the more willing change agents moving forward.
How's that for an opinion? ;)
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